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August 06, 2004

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Jason Kuznicki

"Mark implied--I think--that it would not be gender discrimination to have gendered terms, provided legal consequences did not hinge on the term. An example used was a king and queen. A monarchy which referred to the monarch as king if male, and queen if female, wouldn't necessarily be discriminating provided that all the rules and powers were the same."

Ah... So the proper terms would always be "husband" and "wife," but it wouldn't matter if those persons were male or female?

That's great. I'd be altogether proud to call myself my husband's wife.

lucia

>>A monarchy which referred to the monarch as king if male, and queen if female, wouldn't necessarily be discriminating provided that all the rules and powers were the same.

But note: it's a "monarchy"! The word to describe the type of government is gender neutral. The monarch can also, as a matter or law, be referred to as monarch-- no gender problem.

There is no need, as a matter or law, to use different words when a gender neutral word exists.

Galois

Good point Lucia. In the current situation where there is no gender neutral word and you are faced with option of making "marriage" gender neutral or inventing a new word, one wonders why go with the latter option? As I pointed out this is not a new situation. When women began to be ordained in Judaism the decision--which I believe to be correct--was to keep the word rabbi and make it gender neutral. I beleive women ordained in the Anglican Church are still referred to as priests (even though in that case a gendered option priestess could have been used).

If we were to keep "marriage" as a gendered word in the law--and I don't believe we should--then at least the new term should be gender neutral. That is a "civil union" should be gender neutral, and marriage would just be a specific civil union, but with no legal distinciton. Again I think this is a mistaken route, but if one insists for whatever reason on keeping "marriage" as a gendered term, this would seem to me to be the best option.

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