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June 26, 2005

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Mr. John Howard

>the state is forced to argue that marital status makes no difference for the well being of the couple or their children.

But you are ahead of yourself, treating same-sex and opposite sex couples as if they were the same, as though any statement the state makes about marriage would apply to both types of couples. That's just silly. The state doesn't treat them the same because they aren't the same. One is bad, one is good. If the state allowed gay marriage, THEN it would be saying that marital status made no difference (because they won't require it.). Rather, the state is saying that marriage indeed makes a difference, it would be bad for adults, bad for the children and society. But if the couple is comprised of both sexes, then it is good that they get married, and indeed many states require it if they plan on having a sexual relationship.

>The fact that same-sex couples will not procreate sexually does not weaken this norm, for it emphasizes that ALL sexual unions should be tied to marriage.

Now, how could you write that same-sex couples will not procreate sexually, when you also have insisted on a right for same-sex couples to use technology, once it is safe, to have children? That's just plain dishonest of you. Is the word "sexually" supposed to give you an out, because you were only talking about them procreating through what they do in bed? If one of your demands is that gay couples have the right to have children with technology once it is safe, and it certainly is one of your demands, then you should not pretend that it isn't in other posts.

And same-sex couples aren't really "sexually" doing anything, in order for the sex organs to function sexually, the other sex organ has to be involved. Otherwise, it is not sexual itself, but only evoking sex and perhaps confusedly causing mental reactions that are often associated with sex, but not at all the same.

Marty

John brings up an interesting point that i've been trying to resolve for some time. "Sex" can take place in the bedroom, between a man and a woman, and it may take place in a petri dish, between an egg and a sperm. But when a man and a woman are in the bedroom, using a condom, is that really "sex"? Or is it just mutual masturbation -- good old fashioned fornication?

Or, if i masturbate alone, am i having "sex"? If i do it with a partner, does that change the definition? Only if having a partner actually changes the definition, i suspect...

Joel

Gabriel, do you realize this posting is almost 6,000 words? It is 5,878 according to the MS Word counter.

I'm sure it's interesting and all, but I'm afraid I'm just never going to read the whole thing. There's a lot of other good stuff out there to read, and I'm not a teenager with unlimited time on my hands, you know?

Please edit.

JohnLuke

Just read most of that post. It displays a lot of hubris that dodgins the distinction between conjugal and non-conjugal. That some lawyers have had their turn at it does not mean it makes much sense to follow their lead. Marriage is conjugal but not all conjugal relationships are a form of marriage. Homosex pairs might engage in sex play, or a simulation of mating, but they can not mate together. Such pairs do not form a conjugal relationship, union, whatsoever.

Marty

Will someone -- anyone who knows him personally -- check on our host and report back here? I hate it when friends go missing....

Galois

I'm OK, just incredibly busy this summer. I'll try to post again in a few weeks. Thanks for asking.

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