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June 17, 2005

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Mr. John Howard

Um, not all marriages are permanent, and not all even desire to be permanent. Do you want us to wait until one spouse dies before pronouncing them married?

Mr. John Howard

PS. I agree that marriage ought to be seen as permanent, but clearly, with "starter marriages" and prenuptual agreements, the promise of permenance is not a requirement.
And, I have to acknowledge that Maggie Gallagher was wrong here, too. But I think she's coming around to see her mistake.
The fact that Margeret Marshall doesn't seem to know what "sine qua non" means is alone grounds for her removal. Obviously lots of marriages are not exclusive, but being "without" exclusivity does not automatically make them "not marriages". Being without a right to procreate, however, does indeed make them not marriages.

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Galios
Once again, what disturbs me about your approach is the lack of intellectual integrity and moral obtuseness.

You write…
“”””I'm trying to figure out what model of marriage I would espouse. My views on marriage are pretty well summed up by Maggie Gallagher and Linda Waite when they wrote in The Case for Marriage:”””

And the proceed to selectively cherrypick the selections from that work that uphold the "close personal relationship" model that you obviously espouse.
The procreative model incorporates elements of the “close personal relationship” model.
Conversely, in order to impose SSM the close personal relationship model must reject (legally) those elements of the “procreative model” (as irrational animus’s – as it is).


The following are selected excerpts from "The Future of Family Law." That explains clearly the pitfalls of the different approaches.
This can be found at The Future of Family Law: Law and the Marriage Crisis in North America http://www.marriagedebate.com/
(I urge everyone to read it- it makes the various models quite explicit)


"""Redefining Marriage as a Couple-Centered Bond
In order to accommodate same-sex couples, this approach redefines marriage
as a gender-neutral union of two persons. By doing so it neutralizes the law’s
ability to say that children need their mothers and fathers and reifies a new
conception of marriage that is centered on the couple rather than children."""


What you tend to do (ad-naseum) on your blog is conflate this view with the procreative view
And claim that nothing is being lost in the translation.
Its intentionally deceptive and confusing.
I suggest you read the ALI (American Law Institute) Principles of the Law of Family Dissolution,
report as well as The Future of Family Law: Law and the Marriage Crisis in North America .
By adopting some of the nomenclature, you could help clarify, define terms in this debate and more clearly delineate the obvious distinctions between were family law is and were you hope to drive it.


Remember what's at stake….

“””””Research clearly demonstrates that family structure matters for children, and the
family structure that helps the most is a family headed by two biological parents in
a low-conflict marriage. Children in single-parent families, children born to unmarried
mothers, and children in stepfamilies or cohabiting relationships face higher risks
of poor outcomes.... There is thus value for children in promoting strong, stable
marriages between biological parents.16””””

16. Kristin Anderson Moore, Susan M. Jekielek, and Carol Emig, Marriage from a Child’s
Perspective: How Does Family Structure Affect Children and What Can We Do About It?
Child Trends Research Brief (Washington, DC: Child Trends, June, 2002), 1. Also available
at http://www.childtrends.org/files/MarriageRB602.pdf. For more evidence of the importance
of intact families for children see Sandra L. Hoffreth and Kermyt G. Anderson, “Are all dads
equal? Biology versus marriage as a basis for paternal investment,” Journal of Marriage and
Family 65, no. 1, (2003): 213-32; and Wendy D. Manning and Kathleen A. Lamb,
“Adolescent Well-Being in Cohabiting, Married, and Single-Parent Families,” Journal of
Marriage and Family 65, no. 4, (2003): 876-93.

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